FIB MUSIC: You never questioned it whenever your were selling millions of albums?
Jack: No, we never even thought about it. We trusted the guy. Then after
we fired him, we found out all kinds of crazy shit. Whatever. Things happen. People do shit. I'm not saying he's a bad
guy, he really isn't. I have a lot of love for him still. We have our own issues and we probably won't be
FIB MUSIC: Why did the band finally part ways with Alan?
Jack: There were two reasons I fired him. One, he came up to me one day, we were
at his office. He says, 'Jack, you need to stop moving around so much. You look silly at your age'. I'm like
thirty-something, right? I said, 'what about Steven Tyler?', he says, 'he looks ridiculous'. We definitely
weren't on the same page. Two, we were on the road doing some shows, I was doing some interviews and he calls me
up screaming at me about something I had said in an interview.....and I thought, you know what, I don't need this
shit anymore. I don't need somebody telling me how to dress......what to say in interviews, for God's sake. This is my
band, I can speak for myself. So, I called the guys and said look this is what I'm going to do. I called up all the other
important people, like the accountants - this is what I'm going to do, just be aware. We went to his house at 7 in the morning and
he said, 'what do you fuckers want?' and I said, 'do you remember when you used to tell me that if we ever wanted a different
manager that you wouldn't have any problem with it? We really feel that we need a change right now.' He goes, 'I can expect that
from a deceitful little fucker like you Jack Russell. Get the fuck out of my house. Michael, you can stay here.' Michael goes, 'nah, I
gotta go with these guys, man' (laughs). Kudos for Michael. It was not fun. I don't enjoy telling that story. You asked and that's
what happened. It wasn't because he was a bad manager. We had just grown apart. His vision for the band was different than my
vision. I just felt it was time for a change....and I'm glad we did because we came out with 'Let it Rock', which I think is a
brilliant record. Then there was 'Can't Get There from Here', which as I said earlier, is my favorite Great white record. I love
that record. Everything came together sonically, great songs, great melodies, great lyrics.
FIB MUSIC: Someone sent me an interview where they were talking to
Alan Niven (Managed Great White & Guns n Roses) about how wasted everyone was in Guns n Roses, at the height of their fame, and he
said something like, 'bitch please, I had to manage Jack Russell.
Jack: (Silence) When did he say that?
FIB MUSIC: I'm not sure, I think it was something recent. I'm exaggerating, he didn't say
it quite like that.
Jack: Everybody partied like that back then. He and I spent so much time partying together, the
amount of cocaine that we went through in our days.
FIB MUSIC: Do you still smoke cigarettes?
Jack: You know what? I just quit today. I gave it to my wife for our anniversary. She said, 'Jack, you're
twelve years older than me, I'm going to lose you soon enough. I want to spend as much time as I can with you'. Oh God, how do you argue with that?
FIB MUSIC: It's amazing that the cigarettes haven't damaged your voice.
Jack: Yeah, it really is. I'm blessed. I thank God at least five or six times everyday. He's probably
saying, 'Jack, enough already, Jesus Christ, quit bugging me' (laughs).
FIB MUSIC: Your wife is from Denver, right? We're in Colorado Springs, at the moment.
Jack: I love the Springs, man. Yeah she's from Denver. She's a nurse, thank God. She really saved
FIB MUSIC: How have you grown as a lyricist?
Jack: The lyrics I write now....I've gotten
away from the 'I wanna fuck you baby' to talking about my real, personal life. Not so much
the 'Mista Bone', 'Lady Red Light', 'Rock Me' lyrics. I'm not saying 'Rock Me' is a bad song. It's a beautiful song, I love
that song....it's one of my favorites.....all those are great songs, but the lyrics have gotten more introspective. Back in those
days that's all it was about.....it was about pussy, man....having fun with chicks.....partying and pussy, that's all it was.....So we
were writing about our lives. But now we're older. I have more interesting things in my life and more things that
people can relate to. We all go through the same shit. Whether you're a singer, or a french fry guy, you go through the
same things. You have the same heartaches, the same problems, same stress, same pressures. To be able to reach
a person through the song, it's a real gift to be a part of. Sometimes people want to put a sad song on and cry
their eyes out because they just got out of a relationship. Or sometimes there's a song like, 'oh, I don't need that bitch'. (laughs) There's
something for everybody. People will come up to me and say, 'what's this song about' and I'll say, 'what do you think it's about' and they'll
tell me and even if they're wrong, I will tell them they're right.....because they are. Whatever the song means to that
person, that's what it means.
FIB MUSIC: And even what it means to you. I'm sure that even changes over time.
Jack: Oh sure. Absolutely. I just start writing. I never sit down and
go, ok, I'm going to write a song about this. I just start thinking of melodies and music....then maybe I write a line and
that line might be the third line in the third verse. I normally don't start with the first line. The song just kind of
evolves. I know it is divinely inspired because I can't think of crap until I have to.
FIB MUSIC: Did you know that 'Rock Me' would be the song that launched your career?
Jack: Oh yeah, dude. I remember sitting in the studio with Mark and listening
to 'Rock Me' on playback and I looked over at him and go, 'dude, this could be really big' and we'd start giggling.
FIB MUSIC: Do you remember writing the song?
Jack: Absolutely. I remember they gave me the music and after
two weeks, I'm trying to figure out what to sing to it. (Jack starts singing the lyrics to 'Rock Me' and then
humming the melody) 'Sweet little babe, you
don't have to go'....etc. It started with the melody and then the lyrics. Alan wrote some great lyrics and Alan and I
wrote some great lyrics together. It was a great band at that time. It still is a great band, for me. I hear that
other thing and it's just not Great white, it's a tribute band. If you close your eyes it's going to be a tribute band
playing songs by Great white.
FIB MUSIC: Hopefully you guys just need a little time away from each other and will eventually come back together again.
Jack: The unfortunate thing about this is there is no going back. I will never entertain
the possibility of going back with those guys, not after what they did to me. Watching my wife cry because my friends never called. It destroyed
her as a person because she is not like that, she doesn't come from my world. She's never smoked a cigarette, never drank, never had a drug. She's like
'these guys are your friends?....you've been with them for thirty years and they don't even call you?' I tried to make up excuses for them, they're
just mad at me, they still love me, but I was wrong, she was right.
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